I purchase an 8# jug of IMR H4198 powder for my .17 Hornet NOT my .308 sorry I must have gotten confused. H322 does ok with Nosler 40 grain BT's but runs just over an inch. In fact, if all of the propellant gas exits the muzzle (i.e., the primer or cartridge case didnt leak or blow out), youre a long way toward declaring your handload safe and reliable. Were I to acquire a 223 I'd start with IMR-4198.and probably never have to look back. MSDS Start low and work up as always. We recommend upgrading your current browser or. 0000007976 00000 n Wilson Combat Paul Howe Tactical 6.5 Creedmoor: Full Review of the Versatility Champ, Sweet Scents of Gun Solvents and Oils: 12 Perfumes for Firearms, 10 Great .22 Mag Bolt-Action Rifles Right Now, Ruger No. Old Dupont IMR 4198 can be loaded to 21.5 gr with 55gr bullets. Most success is in bolt guns it seems. I know that 22 grains of IMR498 and either a 50 V-Max or Blitzking has been very accurate in every rifle I've fired them in. I have an 8lb sealed jug of 4198 that I won't use. Ain't 1 in 7 but close. Nonetheless, their average water capacity was almost the same as the combined average of the weighed commercial brass. The .223 Remington was developed as a varmint cartridge. Barrel Break-In: What It Is. . Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. In either AR action type, the buffer spring can be replaced to vary the spring rate over a limited range. I have used it only in 444 Marlin. 25a - Remington model 48C, 22 cal rifle Remington model 48C, bolt action, 22 Cal rifle with clip 26 - 12 ga Bolt Action Model 583.20 JC Higgins 27 - Winchester Single Shot, Model 37, 20 ga 27a - Winchester model 50 20ga. It shoots good groups and cycles fine with my AR but after I'm done I'll go back to TAC 2 Reply textbooknarco 2 yr. ago But because of its grain size being so small. H4198 doesn't always produce enough gas to cycle ever rifle but IMR-4198 seems to. I probably send 3,000 to 4.000 rounds down range most years with IMR 4198. in the 223, with 40 to 63 grain bullets.. Do that by experimenting. The smooth burning of this powder makes it a reliable option for hunters from all across the globe. Begin with start loads and work up carefully to maximum powder charges while checking for signs of excess pressure. Although the .223 Remington is often considered inadequate for deer-sized game, when loaded with a bullet designed for the task, it will kill deer reliably. Have not got a chance to shoot this powder yet but I do have a bunch of charges weighed up and I must say while weighting it out the consistency of the powder looks great. The load data says a min of 18.8 grains up to a maximum of 20.4. ONE IS JESUS CHRIST, FOR YOUR SOUL, AND THE OTHER IS THE AMERICAN SOLDIER, FOR YOUR FREEDOM. Ten weighed cases averaged 89.4 grains (without primers) and held 30.8 grains of water. bullets. I have burned a lot of IMR 4198 in the 223 under a 50gr V-Max. 20.6 grains is my maximum with 52/53 grain bullets seated @ 2.250". The original load was a 160-gr. Choose a powder that best fills the case, about 80 to 90% and choose a powder that gives the highest velocity with the bullet you want. All the accompanying data was developed using Winchester Small Rifle primers. Competition shooters know that the bullets position in the chamber throat/leade can significantly affect accuracy. Lighter bullets may be seated to a shorter COL, whereas the heavier (longer) bullets tend to fill up the extended NATO-spec chamber throat/leade. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. When loading for a 5.56 NATO-chambered AR, the COL is restricted to 2.260 inches. 5?Z^svZi+4`yj!+o%gCR] 7%[P.]u$r4~%TitoUu}dxQ^_y9:sz^7;[K` o endstream endobj 64 0 obj 1540 endobj 65 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 64 0 R >> stream Thank you again. I also built some specialty 223 Rem. Good luck and best wishes. There is no single max load, since every action, barrel, case, primer, bullet, and lot of powder is different. Used to be when you asked about choosing a powder there was one answer. I highly recommend this powder and fully recommend this company. Of course I never got the 55gr bullet to work well in the 222 Rem either. IMR 4198 POWDER For Reloading 223. Can't imagine the 223 would be much different. Dont know about the Canada made or the. Powder: IMR 4198 36.0 grains Primer: CCI 200 AOL 2.650 I shot some of these this week, and I had three five shot groups all . (only). The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Special tools are made just for this purpose. Pretty ancient history, but it was a .556 specific powder. External specifications of the two cartridges are identical and can be handloaded with the same dies; however, the 5.56 pressures are measured 1mm forward of the case mouth rather than on the case body. 0000005092 00000 n H4198 worked better than the CFE BLK and would be a good second choice in powder for the 125 gr. As a result, firing 5.56 NATO ammunition in a rifle with a .223 chamber can result in excessively high pressures and is generally not recommended; however, .223 ammunition can be fired in a 5.56 chamber without issues. Of course, Hodgdon provides load data for every bullet weight theyve tested with all compatible propellants yielding safe and reliable ballistic data. Imr. I used IMR4198 in my wife's 222 Rem, and have tried it in cast bullet guns from 22 Hornet to 45/70. I always grab what I can when I see it for sale. If it works well or not depends a lot on the length of your gas system. IMR4198 and a 52gr. One of my two 30/30 loads is a 118 grain, plain-based RFN over seven grains of Unique, which yields a thousand shots to a pound. Using Hornady 40g V-Max and IMR4198. I weighed more than 10 different lot numbers of 5.56 cases from different manufacturers, as well as checking their water capacity. I loaded ammunition with a variety of bullets, including the Hornady 55- and 60-grain Spire Points (w/o cannelure), 55-grain GMX, Nosler 60-grain Partition, 55-grain Trophy Bonded and Barnes 50-, 53- and 55-grain Triple-Shock X-Bullet, with each producing excellent results. I'd move on from that powder to H-335 , IMR 8208xbr or 4895 , AR-comp , Varget , RL-15 the list goes on of powders that will cycle your action even at there start loads . First, almost all military and some commercial rounds have crimped-in primers. A ball powder is superior in such applications over a stick powder. Savage 10 FCP-K 223 Rem Law Enforcement Bolt Action Rifle. Going by the book today. The data I viewed from imr shows a max load below what you listed if that is in fact correct.You may ffind a very accurate load for your gun using this powder, if you use it as a single shot. I tried 7 other powders. Extreme spread was .473, subtracting .223, and I have a .250 group! 78gn of IMR 4198 has shot about .75-1 MOA (5-shots groups) in my Hankins barreled action with the 275BE and 275MH. I use IMR-4198 for my .30BR and 7.62x39 accuracy loads, and will be trying it out using pulled bullets from x39 ammo in x54R reduced recoil loads for my 110lb Granddaughter's scoped M-N 91/30. 09-10-2014, 10:25 PM #6 marshall623 Boolit Master Join Date Jan 2011 Location Va. Posts 656 Its the most accurate powder I've used in my 14" contender with 55gr. Starting at 20.7g, and going up in .5g i. I take my grandson out shilooting every weekend and load up a hundred rounds of 223 every week for him. IMR-4198 is probably too slow for most uses in the 450b.--Bob. Just that, in most applications, you wont find a significant difference than if you simply segregate your cases by headstamp. I taught my wife to reload years ago seemed to help with the misunderstanding part. Its still a port pressure problem. We need to get one thing straight. The maximum listed by IMR for a 55 gr bullet was 21.5 gr back then (2001) and what i used. Thanks for the help guys. His load was 4198, 19.5 grains and a 52 grain hollow point flat base bullet of unknown manufacture. /x:^6"]eAfy(Pjch[nc2@:P%N!CvU}V5tFUs4ejng5bVCv[ load. For the reasons y'all posted above. In either a bolt action or an AR, the chamber and bore may be cut tight or loose. Neither the writer, The Firing Line, nor the staff of TFL, nor QuickLOAD's author nor its distributor assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information or information derived from it. and 222 Rem. It works good in that straight walled cartridge. ]/S2 YeWB4b.h^$gs:DEYxj*QKihk:I"NIGTpc=MC}S2IjSi8oo;aIf"! IMR-4198 was only made for a short time in Australia starting in 2007 when the exchange rates strongly favored Australia over Canada. Accurate Arms 2230 would be my preferred for those quick moving gas operated AR bolts shooting a 55 gr bullet seated in Federal brass. I purchased this powder to reload 45-70 for my sharps rifle, I dont load them to hot as I want something enjoyable to shoot all afternoon target shooting. 0000014444 00000 n I just cant find a load start/max charge and velocity and OAL for it. 0000013745 00000 n Powders include IMR In short, the NATO cases had less weight and capacity variance than commercial cases. I have loaded 18.5 grs with a 55 gr bullet , still cycled the M16 action. Reloading 223 Rem./5.56mm is mostly the usual routine. I used IMR 4198 when I could no longer find VV N120 for 40 grain .223. All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. IMR or H4198 powder is one of the "fastest" recommended powders for 55 grain bullets in an AR semi-automatic. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. JavaScript is disabled. 4198 with 40 grainers, you can get those going in the 3700 fps range or more.. Around 2007, when the exchange rates strongly favored Australia over Canada, Hodgdon started selling an Australian-made version of H4198 as IMR-4198. Trim to length as needed, clean/uniform the primer pockets, reprime, charge with powder, verify powder charges, seat bullets to specific overall length, perform final inspection, box, and label. CFE 223. There is some people that might give you info that is not any good! Next, remove the residual rim of brass around the pocket. Old Dupont IMR 4198 can be loaded to 21.5 gr with 55gr bullets. In my opinion H-4198 or IMR 4198 either are good choices. Traditionally, it propels a 55-grain bullet at 3,240 fps a notable increase in velocity and effective range when compared to the .222 Remington. THANKS FOR THE GREAT PRODUCT AND SERVICE. Shoots consistently out of my muzzleloader. Some of his best results were with handloads measuring up to 2.320 inches. 0000006732 00000 n It worked great in my AR pistol but for the life of me I could not get it to cycle my rifle length gas system 18 AR rifle. It is also outstanding in cartridges like the 444 Marlin and 7.62 X 39. "My barrel is a 1:8 twist though so I switched to a heavier bullet to tighten the groups.". The only draw back is the V-Max 53's need a 1-9 or 1-10 to shoot accurately in the 223s'. While Im sure my Sun Devils accuracy results could be improved by experimenting with bulletseating depth (the most accurate load averaged 0.38 inch at 100 yards and had a COL of 2.250 inches), determining the appropriate powder charge weight for each specific bullet to achieve reliable and safe functioning overshadowed my concern of where to precisely seat the bullet for optimum accuracy. Current Oregon State Police Background Check Queue Status As Countdown To Measure 114 Vote Approaches. bullet weight. The most accurate load I use for both of my bolt rifles (1/12 & 1/9 twist) is 20-21gr. It may still be too hot or may not meet your accuracy objective, but its not likely dangerous to your gun or you. If nothing else, this has been educational for me. . The brass stays in the chamber and/or the rim is torn or bent. bullets. Who knows. IMR recommends always consulting www.IMRReloading.com for the most accurate, up-to-date data. The IMR 4198 POWDER is highly stable due to the presence of high-quality chemical stabilizers used in its preparation. Shoots outstanding ! What I tired of was measuring each round since, as others have noted, does not meter well in the RCBS. Mag, IMR-4198 was pretty much the go to powder for a couple decades. It may not display this or other websites correctly. All I can say is that 4198 is a lot faster and,a lot lighter charge than the powders I use. Heav-ier bullets were excluded, as I am unaware of any commercially made .223 rifles with a twist rate faster than 1:8 (with the exception of the previously mentioned discontinued Savage rifles), which is generally necessary to stabilize select 75-grain and most 80- to 90-grain bullets. It worked great. Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. Industry pressure guidelines for the .223 Remington were originally established at 52,000 CUP but today have been changed to 55,000 psi, while CIP is listed at 62,366 psi. This fast-burning rifle powder gives outstanding performance in cartridges like the 222 Remington, 221 Fireball, 45-70, and 450 Marlin. I will try and remember to post the results here in case anyone else was wondering the same thing. Then I trickle the rest in with a battery operated Hornady Vibarator Trickler. Additional experimental cartridges were designed to function in the AR-15 and meet military requirements, including the .222 Special (aka .224 Springfield) that had a shorter case, shorter neck and shorter overall cartridge length than the .222 Remington Magnum. I use the Hodgdon data to reload all my different rounds. Never used it, don't know much about it. Its my go-to powder for cast 308 loads in several rifles. Let us know how it goes. I generally prefer cutting the crimp away. You will either find a node, or switch bullets to the 50-52 grain bullets and start over. Lot's of problems reported using light charges of 4198 especially with short stroking and not picking up the next round in the magazine. you looking for max velocity, or accuracy? I've made many rounds of .223 using 19.6gr of H4198 under a Midway Dogtown 55gr SP, sparked with a CCI-400 non-magnum primer. how old was jan stenerud when he retired. le-de-France is densely populated and . You must log in or register to reply here. Some of the gas is divertedbefore the bullet exits the barrelto actuate a piston, carrier, or operating rod. #1789892 - 01/10/11 11:59 PM Re: 55 v-max and varget in bolt action .223 [Re: SShooterZ] DoubleUp Die Hard Member with a . Sierra Pro-Hunter 150 gr. IMR4198 or H-4198 8208 is also good.. at or near max loads. Anyway I purchased some Nosler 168 grain bullets for target practice and was wondering. Clearly, barrel twist rate and chamber throat dimensions do affect accuracy. 0000003156 00000 n With the changes made to military loads and the 5.56 NATO cartridge by 1980, the rifling twist of mil-spec AR rifles was changed to 1:7 to better accommodate ammunition that contained heavier bullets. I don't recall any data using I-4198. I use this powder in my Grendel load development with great success. Why? My RCBS powder measure hates this stuff. of muzzle energy and really puts the Hornady Leverevoltion to shame. I get excellent accuracy from H-4198 with 52/53 grain match bullets. Toggle menu. The .223 is inexpensive, easy to use well, low recoiling, and often very accurate even with military ball-type ammunition. I is just kidding yaw. lol. Seems that most don't like it because of the problems with their powder measures - not because of accuracy issues. I never tried 4198 in an AR because my experience with it in a bolt action .223 was severely underwhelming. I got a 8 pound key of 4198 for my wifes bolt action 223. 0000001080 00000 n Posts: 2203. Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. Although if I were to reload for a AR. One new winner* is announced every week! but with 55 gr. My AR is a 16" Bushmaster M4 chambered in 5.56. Hence, many call it the best powder for reloading 223. . A friend gave me a little over 100 rounds of loaded .223. match bullet. I used it briefly in 223, as for 4227, it was very promising accuracy wise with 300 grainers, but i um, did something dumb with the last pound I had. I just purchased 8lbs of H4198 and I read that it works great for my .308 has anyone tried this behind a Nosler 168 grain bullet? ONLY TWO DEFINING FORCES HAVE GIVEN UP THEIR LIVES FOR YOU. I have recently finished up the last of my H335 and I have been unable to find any to replace it with. Re. I started to use IMR 8208 XBR for my AR 15 plinkers. Ive weighed several hundred pieces having various headstamps and concluded, in most cases, the difference in ballistic performance is negligible. 4198 works excellent in my son's Savage 10 Varmint .223 bolt rifle. If youre not shooting a single-shot rifle, the length of the magazine box may dicatate the maximum COL possible. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. I have been looking for alternative powders, but soon everything could be gone. . Many reviews state that military cases are heavier than commercial brass. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Can't go wrong. data showing how varying the bulletseating depth improved accuracy in his bolt actions. Let me ask you this. 0000016068 00000 n This is simply not true. A Savage Model 10 Predator Hunter Max .223 Remington was used to develop the accompanying load data. I load 223 in my ar with either cfe 223 for the fmj loads and blc(2) for my varmint and sp loads. 0000014422 00000 n Bolt Action Shotguns; Lever Action Shotguns; Over Under Shotguns; Pump Action Shotguns; Semi Auto Shotguns; Side By Side Shotguns; Single Shot Shotguns; Other Shotguns; Loc: Mason,Tx,U.S.A. A few examples include the (1) Browning BLR 81, (2) Thompson/Center G2 Contender, (3) Ruger No. I use a case/cartridge headspace gauge to spot-check roughly 10 percent of my brass after completing case prep. Anybody use something like a 223 bolt action to practice at the range instead of always using their larger caliber hunting rifle? I had about 250 pieces of Lake City (LC) 5.56 NATO brass already prepped and ready to load. They withstood many reloadings without failure. Compressed charges of slower-burn-rate propellants are more compatible with loading heavier bullets. Pro-Hunter CFE BLK loads ranged from 2,129 to 2,210 feet/second with group sizes ranging from .272 (.260 MOA) to 1.685 (1.609 MOA). Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. I thought they were different powders. Had pierced primers at 48 grs of CFE223 under a 168 SMK in an LR 308. They typically weighed between 90.5 grains and 92.5 grains and on average held around 30.6 grains of water, measured level with the case mouth. I used it to reload 223 in a ar-15 pistol with a 7.5 in barrel this product did exactly what I wanted it to do it was accurate and velocities were right where I wanted them to be 2200 FPS with a 55 gr bullet this may not be rifle velocity you want but it is good in short barrel ar pistols. This donation drive helps fund Cast Boolits for an entire year, and helps support our 2nd amendment rights! While .224-inch thick bullet selection for the .223 Remington is broad and typically ranges in weight from 35 to 90 grains, terminal performance varies. IMR 4198 $52.99 - $376.99 4.75 39 reviews This fast-burning rifle powder gives outstanding performance in cartridges like the 222 Remington, 221 Fireball, 45-70, and 450 Marlin. The most accurate load I use for both of my bolt rifles (1/12 & 1/9 twist) is 20-21gr. I had some, didn't like it.

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